1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:02,180 hey y'all Ryan Sprague here as you all 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:04,170 know this summer in the skies podcast is 3 00:00:09,470 --> 00:00:06,930 always free to consume but it isn't free 4 00:00:11,570 --> 00:00:09,480 to create that's why I've started this 5 00:00:14,089 --> 00:00:11,580 somewhere in the skies patreon can pay 6 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:14,099 you on a monthly basis you give what you 7 00:00:18,769 --> 00:00:15,929 think the show is worth you'll be 8 00:00:21,260 --> 00:00:18,779 helping the show continue grow and to be 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:21,270 something truly communal and remember 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:23,490 there are rewards for each level of 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:26,010 contribution and the list is only grown 12 00:00:31,189 --> 00:00:28,410 so please help somewhere in the skies 13 00:00:37,450 --> 00:00:31,199 now by becoming a patron to contribute 14 00:00:47,070 --> 00:00:40,410 www.personalfitnesstrainerstlouis.com 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:01:17,320 [Music] 16 00:01:22,039 --> 00:01:19,760 welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm 17 00:01:24,889 --> 00:01:22,049 your host Ryan Sprague today on the show 18 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:24,899 we talked to Heather tatty one of three 19 00:01:30,499 --> 00:01:27,210 investigators on the new Travel Channel 20 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:30,509 show alien highway many may know Heather 21 00:01:35,870 --> 00:01:32,970 from her extensive investigation work on 22 00:01:38,450 --> 00:01:35,880 the hit show paranormal state but it's 23 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:38,460 clear she's not just a ghost hunter any 24 00:01:45,290 --> 00:01:41,850 longer now she's on the trail of strange 25 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:45,300 phenomena happening across the u.s. she 26 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:48,210 is joined by Chuck and Dan sook Houston 27 00:01:52,639 --> 00:01:50,880 Chuck is a former Colorado law 28 00:01:54,859 --> 00:01:52,649 enforcement officer who's been 29 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:54,869 researching and investigating UFO 30 00:02:00,320 --> 00:01:57,990 related it's for over 30 years and 31 00:02:02,899 --> 00:02:00,330 together with his son Daniel and Heather 32 00:02:06,710 --> 00:02:02,909 they're searching for definitive proof 33 00:02:09,469 --> 00:02:06,720 of UFOs along America's well known alien 34 00:02:12,490 --> 00:02:09,479 highway here's our conversation with 35 00:02:16,460 --> 00:02:14,930 Heather thank you so much for joining me 36 00:02:19,850 --> 00:02:16,470 today on somewhere in the skies 37 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:19,860 thank you I'm super pumped I listen to 38 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:21,450 your podcast all the time and now I'm a 39 00:02:25,820 --> 00:02:23,250 guest on it which is completely crazy it 40 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:25,830 is crazy it's come full circle everybody 41 00:02:30,950 --> 00:02:28,170 watching you on television every week 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:30,960 and know that like you're listening to 43 00:02:35,420 --> 00:02:32,970 my show and we finally made this happen 44 00:02:37,910 --> 00:02:35,430 it's a yeah yeah this is a big one for 45 00:02:41,540 --> 00:02:37,920 me so I apologize I'm a little nervous 46 00:02:43,340 --> 00:02:41,550 sorry what no no way 47 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:43,350 I'm more nervous probably than you oh 48 00:02:48,620 --> 00:02:46,170 man well we'll be nervous and we'll get 49 00:02:50,750 --> 00:02:48,630 through this together but kind of the 50 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:50,760 real reason we're here today is to talk 51 00:02:55,310 --> 00:02:52,560 about your new show alien highway on the 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:55,320 Travel Channel yes but most of my 53 00:02:59,590 --> 00:02:57,450 listeners including myself we know you 54 00:03:03,050 --> 00:02:59,600 best from your work on Paranormal State 55 00:03:04,820 --> 00:03:03,060 so I would love to know how you first 56 00:03:07,010 --> 00:03:04,830 got involved with investigating 57 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:07,020 researching the paranormal what is your 58 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:10,770 origin story as it well I grew up with a 59 00:03:17,690 --> 00:03:13,650 pretty colder brother or 10 years apart 60 00:03:20,570 --> 00:03:17,700 in age and he got me and to music and I 61 00:03:22,910 --> 00:03:20,580 can remember I was really young and I 62 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:22,920 remember eavesdropping on he and his 63 00:03:24,590 --> 00:03:23,970 friends while I played with a Ouija 64 00:03:26,810 --> 00:03:24,600 board 65 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:26,820 I remember peeking through crack crack 66 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:28,110 of the door and being like what are they 67 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:30,840 doing what is a Ouija board so it kind 68 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:33,360 of started with that and then from there 69 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:35,970 just listening to him and his friends 70 00:03:39,830 --> 00:03:37,280 talk about how they'd go to these 71 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:39,840 haunted places and they heard a voice of 72 00:03:43,729 --> 00:03:41,730 a little girl in this graveyard and and 73 00:03:46,340 --> 00:03:43,739 I was just really intrigued by these 74 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:46,350 stories and I wanted to put myself in 75 00:03:52,190 --> 00:03:49,530 these situations so um and then it just 76 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:52,200 came from watching you know movies like 77 00:03:55,729 --> 00:03:53,910 I was I was I remember being really 78 00:03:59,120 --> 00:03:55,739 young and watching Tales from the Crypt 79 00:04:02,180 --> 00:03:59,130 and reading about Ed and Lorraine Warren 80 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:02,190 reading about all of their cases the 81 00:04:06,620 --> 00:04:04,680 stories just I was always intrigued and 82 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:06,630 I wanted to have those experiences and I 83 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:08,480 wanted to know what happens when you die 84 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:11,970 so then in junior high I started 85 00:04:17,060 --> 00:04:14,220 investigating on my own and with my 86 00:04:19,130 --> 00:04:17,070 friends and that kind of consisted of me 87 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:19,140 with a movie camera and a Ouija board 88 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:21,570 leading my friends into these abandoned 89 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:23,310 buildings and just trying to figure out 90 00:04:26,870 --> 00:04:24,570 if we could catch 91 00:04:30,170 --> 00:04:26,880 any evidence that's where it started and 92 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:30,180 then just from there you know paranormal 93 00:04:33,530 --> 00:04:32,310 state I can I can I know that's probably 94 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:33,540 one of your questions is how I got 95 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:34,890 involved in Paranormal State oh 96 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:36,690 absolutely I definitely want to get to 97 00:04:41,210 --> 00:04:38,910 that but my first question is for you so 98 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:41,220 you went you went right to the Ouija 99 00:04:48,470 --> 00:04:44,570 board to try to communicate with these 100 00:04:50,930 --> 00:04:48,480 there's no like who's here 101 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:50,940 EMF readers and whatnot you just went 102 00:04:55,970 --> 00:04:53,490 straight for the Ouija avoid no I mean 103 00:04:57,890 --> 00:04:55,980 yeah it's just the whole thing about 104 00:05:00,380 --> 00:04:57,900 spiritualism you know reading about the 105 00:05:03,350 --> 00:05:00,390 Fox sisters like that really I was just 106 00:05:05,060 --> 00:05:03,360 so interested in that and in ways in 107 00:05:07,130 --> 00:05:05,070 which people would go to great lengths 108 00:05:08,930 --> 00:05:07,140 to try to contact people who have passed 109 00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:08,940 away that was just always really bizarre 110 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:12,150 to me and yeah and then just the 111 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:14,730 investigating and and I I've always been 112 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:16,710 intrigued to by old buildings and 113 00:05:20,150 --> 00:05:18,090 knowing the history and knowing what 114 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:20,160 energy has passed through that's a 115 00:05:25,460 --> 00:05:21,810 really good point I often find myself 116 00:05:29,420 --> 00:05:25,470 when I'm traveling legend tripping which 117 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:29,430 yeah then eases into like paranormal 118 00:05:33,710 --> 00:05:31,800 investigating but I almost find the 119 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:33,720 story is more intriguing than like oh 120 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:36,270 this ghost is haunting this place no I 121 00:05:41,060 --> 00:05:38,130 like the history of what happened there 122 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:41,070 and I kind of your thing when it comes 123 00:05:44,810 --> 00:05:43,080 to him what you would eventually do in 124 00:05:47,660 --> 00:05:44,820 paranormal States so yeah let's go there 125 00:05:51,620 --> 00:05:47,670 how did the opportunity for paranormal 126 00:05:54,410 --> 00:05:51,630 state come about so I and I went to Penn 127 00:05:58,550 --> 00:05:54,420 State of course and I I had known about 128 00:06:01,760 --> 00:05:58,560 PRS a year prior because I remember I 129 00:06:03,140 --> 00:06:01,770 was studying for a test and I looked on 130 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:03,150 one of the tables and it was around 131 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:05,970 Halloween and and literally the page was 132 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:08,910 open to this article about this 133 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:10,800 conference that they ran at Penn State 134 00:06:14,420 --> 00:06:13,050 where they bring in you know Lorraine 135 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:14,430 Warren and and they'd had these 136 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:16,620 investigations and on haunted buildings 137 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:18,000 on campus and I remember seeing that 138 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:20,370 article being like wow there's an actual 139 00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:22,620 club that's backed by student University 140 00:06:27,350 --> 00:06:24,990 and a college student started it like 141 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:27,360 I'm gonna join this club when I transfer 142 00:06:30,530 --> 00:06:29,010 up to the main campus because I had been 143 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:30,540 going to like a branch campus my first 144 00:06:34,490 --> 00:06:32,850 two years of college so when I 145 00:06:37,460 --> 00:06:34,500 transferred up there I saved the article 146 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:37,470 I started going to meetings and I was so 147 00:06:41,150 --> 00:06:38,490 impressed 148 00:06:43,580 --> 00:06:41,160 by how smart everybody was and how much 149 00:06:45,650 --> 00:06:43,590 they knew about you know this phenomena 150 00:06:47,629 --> 00:06:45,660 so and and the meetings they were just 151 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:47,639 on a building they were in a building on 152 00:06:50,719 --> 00:06:49,530 campus and I would I would go every 153 00:06:53,689 --> 00:06:50,729 Sunday and I remember I would always 154 00:06:54,890 --> 00:06:53,699 park illegally illegally and I have you 155 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:54,900 said in there thinking am I going to get 156 00:06:58,550 --> 00:06:55,620 a ticket 157 00:06:59,839 --> 00:06:58,560 I'd park in the the teachers parking I 158 00:07:05,450 --> 00:06:59,849 don't know why that just popped into my 159 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:05,460 head it's kind of funny you know so I 160 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:07,650 remember you know they would set up 161 00:07:11,629 --> 00:07:09,120 these tables and it would just be like a 162 00:07:13,129 --> 00:07:11,639 group of 15 to 20 people we'd all be 163 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:13,139 facing each other and everybody would 164 00:07:17,210 --> 00:07:14,880 just go around and talk about their 165 00:07:19,820 --> 00:07:17,220 experiences growing up and what kind of 166 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:19,830 drew them to join the club and and they 167 00:07:24,830 --> 00:07:21,570 they would go on investigations they had 168 00:07:27,170 --> 00:07:24,840 equipment and Ryan was just super smart 169 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:27,180 and everybody in the in the club is 170 00:07:30,409 --> 00:07:28,770 really interesting so I continued to go 171 00:07:33,290 --> 00:07:30,419 to the meetings and I knew nothing about 172 00:07:35,149 --> 00:07:33,300 a TV show I I kept going and around the 173 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:35,159 fifth or sixth meeting and I noticed a 174 00:07:38,899 --> 00:07:37,650 new face in the room and this guy was 175 00:07:40,189 --> 00:07:38,909 just sitting at this table when he had 176 00:07:43,460 --> 00:07:40,199 the stack of pamphlets and I was like 177 00:07:45,140 --> 00:07:43,470 what is this guy John and and they they 178 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:45,150 were they had been in the process they 179 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:46,530 had filmed a pilot a couple years prior 180 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:48,570 but they were in the process of making 181 00:07:54,050 --> 00:07:52,110 like a doc you reality series about you 182 00:07:57,770 --> 00:07:54,060 know following these college students as 183 00:07:59,779 --> 00:07:57,780 they go on their investigations so they 184 00:08:01,310 --> 00:07:59,789 put up all these Flyers everywhere on 185 00:08:02,930 --> 00:08:01,320 campus like everybody knew about this 186 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:02,940 and they they basically just said do you 187 00:08:08,209 --> 00:08:05,370 want to be in a haunted location and 188 00:08:10,790 --> 00:08:08,219 experience ghosts and spirits and I was 189 00:08:14,450 --> 00:08:10,800 like yes sign me up so I filled out this 190 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:14,460 twenty page pamphlet and I just kind of 191 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:16,139 went back to my studies and didn't I 192 00:08:19,969 --> 00:08:17,610 didn't really think about it you know I 193 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:19,979 was I was really focused I was really 194 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:21,210 focused on doing well in school and 195 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:22,860 trying to figure out what the heck I 196 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:24,810 wanted to do because I was studying film 197 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:27,330 and I studied French and I kind of never 198 00:08:31,249 --> 00:08:29,190 really knew what I wanted to do it was 199 00:08:32,630 --> 00:08:31,259 just kind of like these are my interests 200 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:32,640 so let's just try to get through this 201 00:08:37,579 --> 00:08:35,010 and then figure it out so I see what 202 00:08:41,269 --> 00:08:37,589 happened then then I got a call probably 203 00:08:43,130 --> 00:08:41,279 like two or three weeks you know I got I 204 00:08:45,769 --> 00:08:43,140 got a call back and and what was really 205 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:45,779 interesting it was Katrina and I were 206 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:48,120 both going through the training process 207 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:50,850 to become investigators okay so we took 208 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:51,750 tests and it was 209 00:08:56,750 --> 00:08:53,940 basically like we added on an extra 210 00:08:57,860 --> 00:08:56,760 class to our curriculum that we kind of 211 00:08:59,630 --> 00:08:57,870 weren't really getting credit for you 212 00:09:00,890 --> 00:08:59,640 just you know we're so interested and 213 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:00,900 passionate about this and we took these 214 00:09:05,510 --> 00:09:02,610 tests we wrote these research papers 215 00:09:06,770 --> 00:09:05,520 because my goal is to be an investigator 216 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:06,780 and to be able to go on these 217 00:09:12,770 --> 00:09:09,210 investigations and learn more about all 218 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:12,780 this so Katrina and I ended up being the 219 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:15,930 ones that got picked and and then 220 00:09:20,540 --> 00:09:17,730 literally like a month later we started 221 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:20,550 filming I was a junior in college and we 222 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:23,130 firt we started our first cases where 223 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:25,050 most of them were in Pennsylvania or 224 00:09:29,540 --> 00:09:27,090 like you know neighboring states where 225 00:09:30,980 --> 00:09:29,550 we would just drive and I would leave on 226 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:30,990 like a Thursday and I'd come back on a 227 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:32,370 Monday so I acted like hey I'm gonna 228 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:34,710 miss you know some some classes and my 229 00:09:38,810 --> 00:09:36,240 teachers were really understanding about 230 00:09:40,490 --> 00:09:38,820 it because I had I had film classes and 231 00:09:42,380 --> 00:09:40,500 my French teacher was like what do you 232 00:09:44,630 --> 00:09:42,390 mean you're going to investigate you 233 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:44,640 know a girl that's possessed like it was 234 00:09:50,060 --> 00:09:47,970 just so so bizarre and imagine yes yeah 235 00:09:52,190 --> 00:09:50,070 and that's I was just and what was 236 00:09:53,870 --> 00:09:52,200 really crazy was walking through the hub 237 00:09:56,329 --> 00:09:53,880 at Penn State you know the main building 238 00:09:58,300 --> 00:09:56,339 everybody hangs out with and and seeing 239 00:10:02,329 --> 00:09:58,310 like a cardboard cutout of yourself 240 00:10:04,700 --> 00:10:02,339 standing in there wow that's yeah my 241 00:10:05,750 --> 00:10:04,710 college was my college experience was a 242 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:05,760 little different from everybody else if 243 00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:07,890 it was it was super fun that is so 244 00:10:11,390 --> 00:10:09,630 interesting yeah it's yeah I always 245 00:10:13,579 --> 00:10:11,400 whenever I talked to like UFO 246 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:13,589 researchers or paranormal investigators 247 00:10:18,710 --> 00:10:16,110 we all like live these two separate 248 00:10:21,110 --> 00:10:18,720 lives which is you know like we we do 249 00:10:24,170 --> 00:10:21,120 our jobs during the day and we you know 250 00:10:25,910 --> 00:10:24,180 we we buy our morning coffee and we do 251 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:25,920 the mundane work and then we come home 252 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:28,170 and we we start talking to people about 253 00:10:32,780 --> 00:10:30,030 you know they were abducted by aliens 254 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:32,790 brought to the Pleiades are they they 255 00:10:37,940 --> 00:10:35,250 spoke to their great great great 256 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:37,950 grandparent from the dead it's crazy did 257 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:40,500 just this juxtaposition between what 258 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:43,290 people know and experience every day and 259 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:45,780 then these other worlds that are out 260 00:10:50,090 --> 00:10:47,850 there it's it's got to be surreal like 261 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:50,100 going to class and then going to a 262 00:10:55,550 --> 00:10:52,890 haunted home to try to like stop a demon 263 00:10:59,540 --> 00:10:55,560 from possessing yeah I mean I remember 264 00:11:01,310 --> 00:10:59,550 being in like a philosophy film class or 265 00:11:03,079 --> 00:11:01,320 something and and literally just 266 00:11:04,250 --> 00:11:03,089 studying for these tests that I had to 267 00:11:04,820 --> 00:11:04,260 take in the club and like I'd have a 268 00:11:07,220 --> 00:11:04,830 little 269 00:11:08,780 --> 00:11:07,230 you know I was talking about Satanism 270 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:08,790 and stuff like that so it's it's it's 271 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:11,430 really crazy how all of this came 272 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:13,650 together but I mean finding out that I'd 273 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:15,810 get to work with Lorraine Warren was 274 00:11:22,490 --> 00:11:18,930 like a huge deal for me because I 275 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:22,500 remember two before I joined PRS I went 276 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:24,420 to see her speak at Penn State and I was 277 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:26,550 just blown away by her stories and her 278 00:11:31,430 --> 00:11:29,040 her and Ed's commitment to just helping 279 00:11:33,820 --> 00:11:31,440 families that were going through things 280 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:33,830 they couldn't explain right and I mean 281 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:36,660 those of us in like the paranormal world 282 00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:39,090 or you know what not we we know these 283 00:11:42,650 --> 00:11:40,950 names ed and Lorraine Warren probably 284 00:11:45,650 --> 00:11:42,660 everyone knows now because of the the 285 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:45,660 conjuring movies so did you ever get to 286 00:11:50,570 --> 00:11:48,210 personally meet her Lorraine yeah I mean 287 00:11:53,630 --> 00:11:50,580 she was on a lot of our episodes yeah 288 00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:53,640 yeah she yeah I mean it a few it was it 289 00:11:59,090 --> 00:11:56,480 was insane like I I got to know her and 290 00:12:00,830 --> 00:11:59,100 she was a wonderful person yeah I mean 291 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:00,840 just being able to hear her stories I 292 00:12:04,430 --> 00:12:02,550 remember there were so many times 293 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:04,440 because when Lorraine started talking 294 00:12:09,380 --> 00:12:06,450 you couldn't get her to stop and she was 295 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:09,390 such an amazing storyteller like I just 296 00:12:12,170 --> 00:12:10,410 couldn't believe some of the things that 297 00:12:14,350 --> 00:12:12,180 would come out of her mouth like Ann and 298 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:14,360 she had the best sense of humor she was 299 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:17,370 sweetest little angel and I remember 300 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:19,410 we'd be getting ready to film a scene 301 00:12:23,180 --> 00:12:21,090 where Lorraine would you know be talking 302 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:23,190 to one of the family members and she'd 303 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:24,270 be talents sitting there telling us 304 00:12:28,940 --> 00:12:27,090 about Amityville and all this stuff and 305 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:28,950 we're just like our jaws are dropped in 306 00:12:32,540 --> 00:12:30,480 productions like come on Lorraine we got 307 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:32,550 to do this next scene and she's going on 308 00:12:40,190 --> 00:12:38,370 and on but yeah you know maybe in the 309 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:40,200 middle of shooting something for our 310 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:42,450 show and someone would start talking 311 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:44,040 about you know what happened back at 312 00:12:50,090 --> 00:12:46,050 Roswell and I'd be like oh my god is 313 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:50,100 this really happening man well speaking 314 00:12:57,680 --> 00:12:55,530 of um you know Roswell UFOs I know at 315 00:12:59,900 --> 00:12:57,690 one point on paranormal state you guys 316 00:13:02,330 --> 00:12:59,910 actually went to the east SETI ranch my 317 00:13:04,670 --> 00:13:02,340 listeners know that place well so yeah 318 00:13:08,630 --> 00:13:04,680 this is that like mixing sort of this 319 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:08,640 UFO world with a paranormal it was super 320 00:13:14,780 --> 00:13:12,570 fun I remember we camped there and every 321 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:14,790 night we would see these lights and they 322 00:13:19,190 --> 00:13:16,710 would I mean they would start going 323 00:13:21,950 --> 00:13:19,200 really slow and then James 324 00:13:23,390 --> 00:13:21,960 a you know he had all these high-powered 325 00:13:24,890 --> 00:13:23,400 military flashlights and he'd be like 326 00:13:27,050 --> 00:13:24,900 I'm gonna show you how it powers up and 327 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:27,060 he would flash this light and it would 328 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:28,860 take a little bit but it would be so 329 00:13:32,030 --> 00:13:30,690 bright and it would flash back at us and 330 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:32,040 then it would go really slow in them and 331 00:13:35,420 --> 00:13:33,390 go fast and then it would disappear and 332 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:35,430 we saw this multiple nights and I had 333 00:13:38,930 --> 00:13:37,110 been there twice because I think after 334 00:13:42,190 --> 00:13:38,940 we filmed the episode there we went back 335 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:42,200 to do an event but I could not explain 336 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:45,420 this at all I know scientists had been 337 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:47,130 there to study it and I think like a 338 00:13:50,990 --> 00:13:48,930 week before we arrived to film our 339 00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:51,000 episode Robbie Williams was there I know 340 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:54,060 he's really into all this but yeah it 341 00:13:58,130 --> 00:13:56,010 was incredible and and hearing James 342 00:14:00,410 --> 00:13:58,140 stories like he's just such an 343 00:14:02,090 --> 00:14:00,420 interesting person and I I was like 344 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:02,100 we're not gonna say anything like I was 345 00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:03,510 pretty skeptical like what you know 346 00:14:07,460 --> 00:14:05,760 we're gonna see a satellite and we went 347 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:07,470 there and had these experiences and it 348 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:09,510 was really cool because we had a they 349 00:14:13,970 --> 00:14:11,850 bought us this like satellite tracking 350 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:13,980 system we had on the computer so we 351 00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:16,170 could precisely see what direction the 352 00:14:19,610 --> 00:14:17,280 satellites were and when they were 353 00:14:21,740 --> 00:14:19,620 coming so we you know we would know what 354 00:14:23,930 --> 00:14:21,750 we were seeing but it was Coe I mean I 355 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:23,940 felt like a little kid because growing 356 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:25,170 up too I always had this fascination 357 00:14:29,450 --> 00:14:26,970 with looking at the stars and just 358 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:29,460 hanging out with friends and just you 359 00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:31,170 you would always end up having really 360 00:14:35,450 --> 00:14:33,600 great conversations about you know life 361 00:14:38,450 --> 00:14:35,460 on other planets and then everything so 362 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:38,460 it was it was really neat to be able to 363 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:40,170 go there I really want to go back 364 00:14:44,450 --> 00:14:42,570 actually yeah I've actually never been 365 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:44,460 there but about so many people recommend 366 00:14:49,220 --> 00:14:47,010 it so hopefully yeah yeah yeah you 367 00:14:51,770 --> 00:14:49,230 should you should totally go cool well 368 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:51,780 what were some of your most your most 369 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:53,970 memorable moments for paranormal state I 370 00:14:59,930 --> 00:14:57,360 know that's a really broad question so 371 00:15:03,260 --> 00:14:59,940 much but like does anything really stand 372 00:15:06,290 --> 00:15:03,270 out to you like whoa this is like this 373 00:15:09,830 --> 00:15:06,300 is beyond what I signed up for I mean we 374 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:09,840 I did a couple cases that ended up being 375 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:11,910 pretty serious and I was still training 376 00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:13,590 and learning about all this stuff and I 377 00:15:18,410 --> 00:15:16,320 mean a lot of that was kind of intense 378 00:15:19,790 --> 00:15:18,420 and they always wanted me to go because 379 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:19,800 I you know I have this positive energy 380 00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:22,050 and you know it'll help the clients and 381 00:15:26,660 --> 00:15:23,790 everything but a lot of those cases are 382 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:26,670 really really serious and it affected us 383 00:15:31,820 --> 00:15:29,490 all after we leave you know thinking 384 00:15:33,170 --> 00:15:31,830 about helping this family and and what 385 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:33,180 they were going through like it stuck 386 00:15:36,530 --> 00:15:35,010 with us and especially with Ryan mind 387 00:15:39,410 --> 00:15:36,540 there be and this has never happened to 388 00:15:40,990 --> 00:15:39,420 me but a lot of times some of the PRS 389 00:15:43,460 --> 00:15:41,000 members lived in a house together and 390 00:15:46,130 --> 00:15:43,470 after some of the real serious cases 391 00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:46,140 they would have stuff follow them home I 392 00:15:49,250 --> 00:15:47,700 don't know why nothing ever followed me 393 00:15:51,650 --> 00:15:49,260 home like I never had any any 394 00:15:53,450 --> 00:15:51,660 experiences but a lot of that kind of 395 00:15:55,370 --> 00:15:53,460 really stuck with you seeing these 396 00:15:57,410 --> 00:15:55,380 families that were terrified to sleep in 397 00:15:59,180 --> 00:15:57,420 their own house some of them brought 398 00:16:01,880 --> 00:15:59,190 obviously they brought this activity 399 00:16:03,140 --> 00:16:01,890 upon them without knowing the dangers of 400 00:16:04,850 --> 00:16:03,150 you know messing around with a Ouija 401 00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:04,860 board or anything like this like that 402 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:07,920 but a lot of that was really intense but 403 00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:09,600 one case that really stuck out to me it 404 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:11,040 was called I think they called it 405 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,250 paranormal intervention we worked with 406 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:16,320 this lady she actually lived in Queens 407 00:16:21,260 --> 00:16:19,650 her name was Cara Lee Anne and she had 408 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:21,270 these bouts of depressions that she 409 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:24,420 blamed on spirits and a woman named Mary 410 00:16:29,450 --> 00:16:26,250 had committed suicide in her garage and 411 00:16:32,540 --> 00:16:29,460 and carolien she had a really intense 412 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:32,550 attachment to the spirit and she was 413 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:36,510 obsessed with taking EVPs and trying to 414 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:39,450 hear her voice and she had bagged bad 415 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,710 little baggies and baggies of these 416 00:16:44,450 --> 00:16:42,720 little micro cassettes of of these 417 00:16:47,510 --> 00:16:44,460 amazing EVPs and she was literally 418 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:47,520 obsessed with with trying to reach this 419 00:16:52,820 --> 00:16:50,010 spirit and it was was really it was 420 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:52,830 really insane and so the activity was 421 00:16:57,860 --> 00:16:54,930 really centered around Carol and Carol 422 00:16:59,360 --> 00:16:57,870 Ann and she wasn't letting the spirits 423 00:17:01,850 --> 00:16:59,370 move on because she was constantly 424 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:01,860 engaging them and that's something you 425 00:17:06,050 --> 00:17:04,170 think about today was like everybody 426 00:17:07,850 --> 00:17:06,060 really into this phenomena it's 427 00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:07,860 happening so often and is it because 428 00:17:12,830 --> 00:17:11,280 we're constantly trying to contact them 429 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:12,840 you know it's like a strange thing to 430 00:17:16,850 --> 00:17:15,210 think about but um I don't know that's 431 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:16,860 one episode that really stuck out to me 432 00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:18,930 because she just wouldn't stop I mean we 433 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:21,600 even ended up taking her recorder I 434 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:23,310 think she just went out and got another 435 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:25,530 one but it it's it's strange how 436 00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,890 obsessed people can get with this this 437 00:17:34,370 --> 00:17:30,720 kind of thing yeah you're telling me 438 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:34,380 yeah it's it's hard because like they go 439 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:36,150 through this paradigm shifting 440 00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:38,610 experience and then it's like how do you 441 00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:41,880 go on every day after that like these 442 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:44,700 menial tasks we all do is you know mere 443 00:17:48,049 --> 00:17:45,480 mortals 444 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:48,059 when we know or they know I should say 445 00:17:52,669 --> 00:17:50,610 or think that like there's a spirit 446 00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:52,679 talking to them from like beyond the 447 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:53,520 grave it's crazy 448 00:18:00,260 --> 00:17:56,970 it is yeah but it's it was really 449 00:18:01,460 --> 00:18:00,270 interesting to try to go and like you 450 00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:01,470 because when you go to these families 451 00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:02,880 houses you basically become their 452 00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:06,240 historian you're you're diving into 453 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:07,830 their history diving into their past and 454 00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:09,450 and even figuring out when this 455 00:18:12,620 --> 00:18:10,980 phenomena began what was going on in 456 00:18:14,780 --> 00:18:12,630 your life and I always like trying to 457 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:14,790 figure figure that out because a lot of 458 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:16,650 times the stuff would happen they would 459 00:18:20,570 --> 00:18:17,910 bring it upon themselves and not even 460 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,580 realize like oh this you know the stress 461 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:21,840 was causing me to do you know what I 462 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:23,730 mean since there's so many different 463 00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:25,890 pieces to the puzzle there really are 464 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:28,559 and I what I'd like to ask you either um 465 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:31,320 in terms of like filming for this thing 466 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:34,530 for anonymous state I'm sure it'll sort 467 00:18:38,299 --> 00:18:36,090 of be the same for alien highway but 468 00:18:40,610 --> 00:18:38,309 what is it like trying to investigate 469 00:18:42,530 --> 00:18:40,620 while there's like constantly cameras on 470 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:42,540 you and like that you're in the middle 471 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:43,530 of something and they have to be like 472 00:18:48,289 --> 00:18:45,720 okay we have to like go over and get 473 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:48,299 this angle like is it a challenge trying 474 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:50,490 to do this stuff for television it 475 00:18:54,980 --> 00:18:53,130 definitely is I mean there are so many 476 00:18:56,780 --> 00:18:54,990 moments where it's like can you just do 477 00:18:59,150 --> 00:18:56,790 that one more time our camera didn't 478 00:19:01,159 --> 00:18:59,160 catch you picking that up so yeah it's 479 00:19:03,409 --> 00:19:01,169 it's bizarre and I know beginning with 480 00:19:05,030 --> 00:19:03,419 Paranormal State it was really hard to 481 00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:05,040 get used to the cameras at first because 482 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:06,780 they are so big and they're just 483 00:19:10,159 --> 00:19:08,370 constantly falling her down but after 484 00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:10,169 the first couple episodes I kind of got 485 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:12,870 used to it in a way where you you learn 486 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:16,049 where to stand and and to know when to 487 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:17,610 say something you know it just kind of 488 00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:20,130 like came naturally then after after a 489 00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:21,750 while but there's definitely time 490 00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:23,840 constraints I mean with house 491 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:27,120 investigations you know you're there and 492 00:19:30,049 --> 00:19:28,290 you're spending more time with the 493 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:30,059 people and you know the first a lot of 494 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:31,290 people don't know this but the first and 495 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:32,610 second season a paranoid state we 496 00:19:37,580 --> 00:19:34,740 basically stayed the night in these 497 00:19:39,289 --> 00:19:37,590 people's homes like it wasn't until like 498 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:39,299 maybe later in the second season or it 499 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:41,190 they just put us in hotel but we were 500 00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:42,690 spending a lot more time with them and 501 00:19:47,780 --> 00:19:45,000 we had cameras on this but a lot of the 502 00:19:50,060 --> 00:19:47,790 times we just we filmed so much that you 503 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:50,070 couldn't fit into the actual series and 504 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:51,510 then there were other times where we you 505 00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:52,710 know there is a moment where it's like 506 00:19:56,299 --> 00:19:54,120 we have to go to the next thing it's 507 00:19:58,940 --> 00:19:56,309 like how can we just have like more time 508 00:19:59,480 --> 00:19:58,950 to do this those were definitely things 509 00:20:00,889 --> 00:19:59,490 we were in 510 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:00,899 and also I mean you have to have a lot 511 00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,250 of patience working in this field which 512 00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:04,559 you probably know oh yeah there's a lot 513 00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:07,710 of waiting around yeah yeah that's what 514 00:20:11,930 --> 00:20:09,840 doesn't make it on camera obviously you 515 00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:11,940 know everybody says like oh we're seeing 516 00:20:15,620 --> 00:20:13,740 the edited version this stuff probably 517 00:20:19,370 --> 00:20:15,630 happened over like the span of a week or 518 00:20:23,269 --> 00:20:19,380 yes yeah yeah paranormal investigating 519 00:20:25,310 --> 00:20:23,279 and UFO hunting or sky watching it can 520 00:20:27,529 --> 00:20:25,320 get a little boring little mundane 521 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:27,539 sometimes but then you just wait for 522 00:20:32,899 --> 00:20:29,730 those moments of like it's like a 523 00:20:35,230 --> 00:20:32,909 baseball game you know three hours long 524 00:20:37,399 --> 00:20:35,240 nobody's doing anything and then a 525 00:20:40,250 --> 00:20:37,409 second something happens and you're like 526 00:20:42,019 --> 00:20:40,260 oh my god I missed it yeah those moments 527 00:20:43,340 --> 00:20:42,029 are the best that's and that's why I got 528 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:43,350 into all this because the the thrill of 529 00:20:46,970 --> 00:20:44,610 when something happens you're just like 530 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:46,980 what what did I just see like that's my 531 00:20:50,810 --> 00:20:48,690 favorite I know and I feel like the 532 00:20:52,850 --> 00:20:50,820 phenomenon sort of does that it's very 533 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:52,860 trickster ish it's like I'm gonna make 534 00:20:57,139 --> 00:20:55,110 them just wait around for like four 535 00:20:59,360 --> 00:20:57,149 hours and then I'm gonna just move this 536 00:21:01,519 --> 00:20:59,370 pencil a little bit off the table you 537 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:01,529 know yeah yeah you never know what the 538 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:03,690 heck is gonna happen you never know yeah 539 00:21:10,399 --> 00:21:06,330 well moving away from paranormal State 540 00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:10,409 now we have alien highway this is crazy 541 00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:12,299 so I had been Mezrich on my show 542 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:13,679 probably when I first started the 543 00:21:19,269 --> 00:21:16,049 podcast and many people know him from 544 00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:19,279 the 37th parallel the book jihad on 545 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,169 Chuck the guy that you're doing this 546 00:21:27,019 --> 00:21:24,240 show with so can you tell us a little 547 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:27,029 about who is on your investigation team 548 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:29,010 for this new show alien highway and 549 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:30,210 maybe a little about how this 550 00:21:38,269 --> 00:21:33,210 opportunity came about yeah of course so 551 00:21:39,980 --> 00:21:38,279 Chuck Zukowski he is so he worked in law 552 00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:39,990 enforcement he was a deputy sheriff but 553 00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:43,320 his real passion is he's dedicated a 554 00:21:48,830 --> 00:21:45,299 huge chunk of his life to investigating 555 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:48,840 UFOs animal mutilations Bigfoot he 556 00:21:53,210 --> 00:21:50,610 basically would go on these vacations 557 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,220 with his families and and they would 558 00:21:57,139 --> 00:21:55,440 always have to stop somewhere like that 559 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:57,149 their family vacations basically return 560 00:22:01,519 --> 00:21:59,010 into we're going to Roswell we're doing 561 00:22:04,130 --> 00:22:01,529 here so if you were just drag his family 562 00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:04,140 to these places but he is so passionate 563 00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:07,740 about all of this and really his his law 564 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:09,659 his background in law enforcement 565 00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:11,010 his investigating skills like he has a 566 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:12,990 huge attention to detail 567 00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:14,370 you know he saw that there was a huge 568 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:16,440 lack of scientific expertise in this 569 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:18,570 field and I don't know I was just really 570 00:22:23,419 --> 00:22:20,370 impressed by his his knowledge of 571 00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:23,429 everything and when that when I got 572 00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:25,320 first got told about that I'd be working 573 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:27,960 with him I had read an article somewhere 574 00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:30,750 about a cattle cattle mutilation that he 575 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:32,760 had investigated and and he referred to 576 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:35,250 himself as the UFO nut so I kind of 577 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:36,780 didn't know what to expect going into 578 00:22:42,650 --> 00:22:40,170 this but I was I was really impressed by 579 00:22:44,540 --> 00:22:42,660 his investigation skills and his 580 00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:44,550 excitement and passion for the subject 581 00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:47,400 yeah and like you see you mentioned you 582 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:49,110 know he would drag his son along on 583 00:22:53,150 --> 00:22:50,730 these zones uh-huh you know there's 584 00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:53,160 getaways and now he's on television with 585 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:55,860 him so what is what is a son make of all 586 00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:57,690 this I'm sure you guys had plenty of 587 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:00,780 conversations off camera yes so his son 588 00:23:05,900 --> 00:23:03,690 he he's really supportive of his dad 589 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:05,910 he's supportive of his dad and his quest 590 00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:07,770 for these answers but at the same time 591 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:10,380 he makes fun of his dad for doing this 592 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:11,970 like oh we're gonna go here you want to 593 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:13,170 do this so he kind of thinks his dad is 594 00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:15,780 crazy in a way but he's fully supportive 595 00:23:21,140 --> 00:23:19,200 of them and he Dan is also very 596 00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:21,150 skeptical when it comes to a lot of this 597 00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:24,059 when something happens he's always you 598 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:25,320 know looking for a natural explanation 599 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:27,809 which I think all three of us are like 600 00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:30,570 that in a way I know when I go on 601 00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:31,620 investigations I'd like to have that 602 00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:33,480 equal balance of belief and skepticism 603 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:36,120 but yeah and Dan also currently works in 604 00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:38,550 law enforcement so he has those solid 605 00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:40,470 interviewing skills investigating skills 606 00:23:45,140 --> 00:23:43,320 I think that really helps absalom it 607 00:23:47,299 --> 00:23:45,150 helps yeah and I think it's refreshing 608 00:23:50,660 --> 00:23:47,309 to at least from the first two episodes 609 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:50,670 I've seen is you all are you know 610 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:54,690 skeptical believers or you know to a 611 00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:57,210 point where it's not one of these shows 612 00:24:01,940 --> 00:23:59,580 where you have the molder and you have 613 00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,950 the Scully you know yeah believer and 614 00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,559 skeptic let's you know let's hash it out 615 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:06,720 it's it's so refreshing to see a show 616 00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:08,610 where all three of you are just trying 617 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:11,220 to find the truth if it's not yeah let's 618 00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:13,650 prove aliens are real let's prove you 619 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:16,350 know that the skinwalker is is there 620 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:18,690 it's it's okay let's look at the 621 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:21,210 evidence and let's see what comes out of 622 00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:23,250 it no matter what the answer might be so 623 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:25,720 yep that's super refreshing 624 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:29,110 well being that you you deal you're sort 625 00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,970 of dealing with different phenomena than 626 00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:32,559 you did on paranormal state 627 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:36,159 maybe Who am I to say but how did you 628 00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:38,200 adapt or sort of bring your experience 629 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:40,600 from that paranormal investigation into 630 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:44,490 doing this new sort of UFO oriented show 631 00:24:50,250 --> 00:24:47,770 um I think at first it was a little 632 00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:50,260 tough because I don't really consider 633 00:24:54,029 --> 00:24:52,419 myself a UF ologists at all I've it's 634 00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:54,039 just something I've always had an 635 00:24:58,590 --> 00:24:56,440 interest in and I've always known I've 636 00:25:00,330 --> 00:24:58,600 always known about it but knowing that I 637 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:00,340 was doing the show I started doing a lot 638 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:02,470 more research that I was prepared but 639 00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:04,750 I'd say I definitely brought my 640 00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:05,980 investigation skills because I'm 641 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:07,140 paranormal State there were so many 642 00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,370 different cases where you really had to 643 00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:12,159 do deep investigating like you had to go 644 00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:14,830 out of your way to you know do so much 645 00:25:19,529 --> 00:25:17,350 research so I think that already having 646 00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:19,539 that and having a good read of people 647 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:21,340 when you're interviewing them I think 648 00:25:25,049 --> 00:25:24,010 that that's that's really helped and I 649 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:25,059 know I'm paranormal State we 650 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:27,610 investigated so many different types of 651 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:31,330 cases so I think that it I'm pretty 652 00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:33,490 well-rounded when it comes to it I think 653 00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:35,350 that that really helped me you know 654 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:37,510 transition into this absolutely this 655 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:40,390 show yeah and like I said I I saw the 656 00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,010 first two episodes of the show and there 657 00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:44,320 they most definitely did not disappoint 658 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:47,679 I know right yeah your season opener it 659 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:49,210 brought you somewhere that a lot of us 660 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:51,610 are familiar with for but for those who 661 00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:53,590 may not be could you maybe give us a 662 00:25:58,889 --> 00:25:56,470 little I guess refresher course about 663 00:26:02,580 --> 00:25:58,899 what's where and what skinwalker ranch 664 00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:02,590 is of course the skinwalker ranch is 665 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:05,080 it's basically regarded as one of the 666 00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,289 weirdest hotspots for everything from 667 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:10,860 UFO sightings to unusual activity 668 00:26:19,860 --> 00:26:16,210 poltergeist activity monsters giant wolf 669 00:26:22,169 --> 00:26:19,870 creatures so it's it's very varied in 670 00:26:23,850 --> 00:26:22,179 terms of all the weird things have 671 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:23,860 happened there in it and this stuff 672 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:26,289 predates the ranch it's it's this whole 673 00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:29,529 area of the Uintah Basin and but it's 674 00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:31,960 said that there is a portal near this 675 00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,960 ranch or in this area and and it all 676 00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:37,120 goes back to a curse put on by the 677 00:26:42,550 --> 00:26:38,550 Navajo Navajo 678 00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:42,560 where you know this this ranch is 679 00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:45,000 supposedly in the path of the skinwalker 680 00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:47,430 and what didn't make the episode is we 681 00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:49,710 interviewed a Native American elder 682 00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:52,500 about an experience they had had and 683 00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:54,900 they're very they won't talk about the 684 00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:56,460 skinwalker ranch they won't talk about 685 00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,990 skinwalkers at all so it's a really 686 00:27:02,110 --> 00:27:00,000 taboo thing which is really fascinating 687 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,120 but yeah I mean this place 688 00:27:06,620 --> 00:27:04,320 you know ranchers had lived there and 689 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:06,630 had really bizarre experiences and and 690 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:08,370 we all know about Robert Bigelow buying 691 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:10,050 it and using it as like a living 692 00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:13,170 laboratory so it's just a bizarre place 693 00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:15,900 and I was super excited to just be you 694 00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:18,120 know in that area because I know it's 695 00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:20,280 not just the ranch it's all around that 696 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:23,040 area has a unique history absolutely I 697 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:25,410 mean it's like a dream come true for and 698 00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:27,690 he's out there her into this stuff it's 699 00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:29,670 got everything you need cryptids ghosts 700 00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:32,460 aliens yeah it's crazy well what was 701 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:35,150 like you guys you really did get some 702 00:27:41,150 --> 00:27:38,850 solid evidence that's what really 703 00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:41,160 impressed me and I'm so happy that they 704 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:43,470 started like the premiere episode was 705 00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:45,930 this because it yeah like there is stuff 706 00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:48,030 we can actually analyze it's not just 707 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:51,390 safaris what stood out to you most while 708 00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:53,490 you were there about just whoa this 709 00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:57,390 place is definitely batshit weird I mean 710 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:00,990 when you talk to the locals and talk to 711 00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:03,090 everybody I mean we well I mean a lot of 712 00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,440 stuff again to make the episode but we 713 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:06,240 talked to someone that lived close to 714 00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:07,890 the ranch net yeah we have experiences 715 00:28:11,660 --> 00:28:09,270 but we're not going on camera you know 716 00:28:13,220 --> 00:28:11,670 I'm trying to write like a book and it's 717 00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:13,230 just hearing about what everybody knows 718 00:28:16,670 --> 00:28:15,270 that has lived in that area for a long 719 00:28:19,580 --> 00:28:16,680 time and what they've heard from you 720 00:28:22,610 --> 00:28:19,590 know their ancestors but to me that 721 00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:22,620 video that we captured of the wolf I 722 00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:24,990 mean it looked it didn't look like to me 723 00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:27,030 it was a coyote I mean what do you think 724 00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:28,200 about that like what's your thought on 725 00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:31,980 that it was massive yeah exactly 726 00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:34,230 I and it was really cool to see again 727 00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:36,120 that you guys you went out of your way 728 00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:40,080 to like show these things you know you 729 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:42,440 went you put the cameras you have like 730 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:44,730 cameras out there that captured this 731 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:46,410 wolf and then you put the camera out 732 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:47,970 there during the day and got the same 733 00:28:53,420 --> 00:28:50,370 exact angle and all that 734 00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:53,430 it's like a mathematicians dream you're 735 00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:55,380 you're looking at the height of where it 736 00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:57,510 would have been how tall the Bourbon 737 00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,820 that was really cool again these are 738 00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,640 things that the people at home wouldn't 739 00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,320 realize they would just see oh it's a 740 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:07,080 stray dog that somehow got on the ranch 741 00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:10,410 but know whatever it was it had to have 742 00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:12,030 been huge and then it appeared out of 743 00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:14,580 nowhere I know that's the thing I cannot 744 00:29:18,770 --> 00:29:17,070 explain because we got the trap cam and 745 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:18,780 we need it immediately saw that it got 746 00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:21,450 hit so immediately analyzed it and while 747 00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:24,360 analyzing it you you could see the cars 748 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:25,800 coming around the turn and I wish that 749 00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:27,930 they would have put more of this footage 750 00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,460 in the episode but you could see where 751 00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,440 the sensor would trigger and where each 752 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:33,120 time the exact same spot 753 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:35,610 the cars headlights would go through you 754 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:38,130 could see the cars passing and I know on 755 00:29:42,050 --> 00:29:39,570 the episode they showed one of the gas 756 00:29:43,670 --> 00:29:42,060 tankers trucks coming through and you 757 00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:43,680 can see where the sensor triggers it and 758 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:46,260 where would show on camera this creature 759 00:29:51,770 --> 00:29:49,410 just it just appeared like it out of 760 00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,780 nowhere no sense I it did it I still 761 00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:54,240 have no idea how to explain that yeah 762 00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,550 for anyone who hasn't seen the first 763 00:30:02,090 --> 00:29:58,860 episode definitely check it out that 764 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:02,100 moment of when this wolf-like creature 765 00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:05,730 appears literally out of thin air like 766 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:07,620 some sort of I don't know portal 767 00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:10,980 something it really really caught me 768 00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:13,320 off-guard I was not expecting that so I 769 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:14,700 can't imagine what it must have been 770 00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:17,370 like actually being there yeah and you 771 00:30:20,660 --> 00:30:19,260 know we we looked around we explored to 772 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:20,670 see if we could see tracks now it had 773 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,650 snowed again because it was super cold 774 00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:24,000 just knowing like the whole time we were 775 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:26,100 in Utah but I mean we didn't see 776 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:28,050 anything unusual and around there there 777 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:30,510 were a couple neighbors really spread 778 00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,450 out that had ranches and you know you we 779 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:35,520 spent some time in the daytime going 780 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:37,170 around to try to see if we could see any 781 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:39,930 dogs but I mean nothing looked like what 782 00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:43,410 we saw in the video yeah yeah that was 783 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:45,060 enough for me to be like wow yes 784 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:47,130 something's going on here but yeah there 785 00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:48,930 was one other thing and again I don't 786 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:50,430 want to give away too much for those who 787 00:30:56,180 --> 00:30:53,310 haven't seen it but this beam of light 788 00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:56,190 oh my gosh eared over the entire ranch 789 00:31:01,280 --> 00:30:58,530 that was terrifying what the hell was 790 00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:01,290 going on there yeah so right over that 791 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:02,670 hill and this happened 792 00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:04,110 probably about three 793 00:31:09,020 --> 00:31:07,020 and we had been out there for hours I 794 00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:09,030 was doing that animal caller thing and 795 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:11,100 we were we were just in there we were 796 00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:13,290 there for hours and it was really crazy 797 00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:16,140 because the way that it pulsated and 798 00:31:19,910 --> 00:31:18,390 right over the first Ridge where where 799 00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:19,920 Dan was there was a second Ridge and 800 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:21,780 then over that I mean that was that was 801 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:24,510 skinwalker ranch so the way that it 802 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:26,910 pulsated and the timing of it was really 803 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:29,730 unique and Dan was right up against and 804 00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:31,770 he couldn't he had no idea what it was 805 00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,470 and my thing is it like I said we knew 806 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:35,760 what was on the other side of the ridge 807 00:31:39,770 --> 00:31:37,890 and another thing that didn't make of 808 00:31:43,220 --> 00:31:39,780 the episode is we went on this really 809 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:43,230 long hike on this one mountain that was 810 00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:46,050 kind of on the other side of skinwalker 811 00:31:49,940 --> 00:31:47,910 we went with the local animal tracker 812 00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:49,950 that had land around there and really 813 00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,440 knew the area and our our goal is to 814 00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,240 kind of look for wildlife tracks to see 815 00:31:58,610 --> 00:31:56,640 like do oles inhabit this area you know 816 00:32:00,050 --> 00:31:58,620 what kind of animals are around here and 817 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:00,060 just to see if we saw anything unusual 818 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:03,810 and so we were hiking this really really 819 00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:05,730 steep mountain and we came up against a 820 00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:08,640 barbed wire fence that basically that 821 00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,710 was skinwalker ranch so we didn't cross 822 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:12,960 it or anything but way way off in the 823 00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:16,290 distance you could see flames in the sky 824 00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:18,630 which was from when they I guess they 825 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:21,000 burn oil there there that whole area in 826 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:23,250 the Un sub-basin there's oil I don't 827 00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:24,810 know if it's like an oil refinery I 828 00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:26,520 don't really know much about that kind 829 00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:28,020 of stuff but there's constant you and 830 00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,940 the traffic you see constant oil tankers 831 00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:32,340 going way back beyond the ranch in the 832 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:34,710 distance pretty far and when we were out 833 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:36,930 there you could see a flame and you 834 00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:39,450 could see what I would describe it as as 835 00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,790 lightning and it was kind of an orange 836 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:43,860 glow but it was completely different 837 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:45,570 from what we saw when we were in the 838 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:48,450 cemetery okay so I kind of attributed to 839 00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:50,730 it was it that but then when it happened 840 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:52,470 I was like this wasn't anything like 841 00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:52,770 that 842 00:32:59,920 --> 00:32:56,640 stuff was way way off in the distance 843 00:33:03,380 --> 00:32:59,930 and this was like right beyond the ridge 844 00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:03,390 yeah that one will probably remain a 845 00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:05,960 mystery but again like it's crazy that 846 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:08,340 you know with a lot of these shows you 847 00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:10,260 end up going somewhere and nothing 848 00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:12,540 happens and this huh that's the reality 849 00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:13,740 of it that's why it's you know 850 00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:16,590 quote-unquote reality television you 851 00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:17,430 guys seemed 852 00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:19,800 just like have dropped in right at the 853 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:23,220 right moment it just yeah I mean I I 854 00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:25,140 didn't you know I I kind of always go 855 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:26,790 into these thinking you know I don't 856 00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:28,110 expect to get anything I'm just like 857 00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:29,520 something happens it happens but I 858 00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:31,380 didn't definitely didn't expect to get 859 00:33:36,050 --> 00:33:33,390 that the video the wolf or whatever that 860 00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:36,060 thing was and the light like it was it 861 00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:37,680 was action-packed it was it was great 862 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:39,630 that was one of the most memorable ones 863 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:42,090 and that was one we filmed kind of we 864 00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:43,530 found that one in February getting of 865 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:46,350 February yeah yeah a lot of people don't 866 00:33:50,270 --> 00:33:47,910 know like these things are filmed out of 867 00:33:52,910 --> 00:33:50,280 sequence so like oh yeah yeah you might 868 00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:52,920 have shot that like months after going 869 00:33:57,770 --> 00:33:54,990 to Roswell or going somewhere else but 870 00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:57,780 it ends up being the first episode so it 871 00:34:02,000 --> 00:33:59,010 definitely makes me want to go back 872 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:02,010 because I just feel like if I could just 873 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:04,170 go and I wish we could just camp there 874 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:05,820 you know what I mean camp near there and 875 00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:07,130 just see what we find 876 00:34:11,060 --> 00:34:09,270 absolutely like being there for a 877 00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:11,070 prolonged amount of time I can't imagine 878 00:34:15,830 --> 00:34:13,020 and we know that like groups of 879 00:34:18,170 --> 00:34:15,840 scientists were on the ranch for months 880 00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:18,180 on end yeah studying this paranormal 881 00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:19,980 stuff and a lot of the things they've 882 00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:22,740 brought forward are sort of things you 883 00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:24,990 guys came across so something is 884 00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:27,480 definitely going on it's skin wash yes I 885 00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:30,800 agree I agree oh well the second episode 886 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:33,840 this one was near and dear to my heart 887 00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:36,930 Roswell New Mexico I this is you know 888 00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:39,030 what gets all of us who follow Just's 889 00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:42,270 into this the shadow case of ufology 890 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:44,580 but you guys sort of took a new avenue 891 00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:46,650 with the case and it was trying to track 892 00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:49,710 down a possible cave where some of the 893 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,140 wreckage from the crash was hidden this 894 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:54,720 was really interesting so were you 895 00:35:00,020 --> 00:34:56,730 familiar with the Roseville case before 896 00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,030 this and what we know you have yeah yeah 897 00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,920 I mean I had read crash at Corona I like 898 00:35:06,590 --> 00:35:03,900 I yeah I was pretty familiar with it 899 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:06,600 yeah so Chuck and one of the producers 900 00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:09,410 they they both have different contacts 901 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:12,750 through the government and so for this 902 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:15,570 episode this federal informant gave 903 00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:18,690 Chuck this map that was supposedly drawn 904 00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:21,720 by the rancher who or whoever it was 905 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:24,180 that that hid the debris mm-hmm and you 906 00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,770 know you hear all these stories about 907 00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,780 it's hidden in a cave there's still an 908 00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:29,820 alien somewhere you know see it's hard 909 00:35:33,350 --> 00:35:31,320 to know what to believe but 910 00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:33,360 this map was was pretty accurate so we 911 00:35:37,610 --> 00:35:35,910 went out and we first of all let's talk 912 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:37,620 about how we talked to Sandy Proctor 913 00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:40,500 because that was incredible for me I was 914 00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:42,630 super excited to be able to interview 915 00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:44,700 him and for those community that don't 916 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:47,100 know sandy Proctor is the brother of Dee 917 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:49,170 who was with Mac when he found the 918 00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:51,690 debris on the right so yeah so it was 919 00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,100 really nursing to talk to him because 920 00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:55,200 you hear all these rumors that the 921 00:36:00,830 --> 00:35:58,260 Proctor's had a piece of the debris and 922 00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:00,840 he flat-out you know Chuck Chuck was of 923 00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:02,310 course gonna ask that question in me and 924 00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:03,900 Sandy came around I won't be like no 925 00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:05,910 those people are idiots like we don't 926 00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:08,190 have we don't have any of the debris you 927 00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,030 know and Sandy talked about how you know 928 00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:14,280 Dee was young and he he wasn't even 929 00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:15,900 interested in their wreckage like he 930 00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:18,180 couldn't really talk about it because 931 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:19,830 you know when you grow up on these 932 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:21,570 ranches you just see piles of stuff so 933 00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:23,610 it kind of wasn't a big deal to him as a 934 00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:26,420 young boy but it's completely like 935 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:30,060 plausible to think if this miss debris 936 00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:32,850 was on a ranch for it was like a couple 937 00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:34,620 days before the government came correct 938 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:37,500 yeah yeah so it's completely you know 939 00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:39,690 logical to think that maybe you know 940 00:36:42,830 --> 00:36:41,190 people in the town knew about this maybe 941 00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:42,840 a little kid or someone came and took 942 00:36:46,220 --> 00:36:44,180 some of the debris and hid it saw her 943 00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:46,230 like I think that that's completely 944 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:49,230 totally believable yeah yeah so we 945 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:51,450 talked to Don Schmitt and he he told us 946 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:53,730 that the richard richards ranch which is 947 00:36:59,950 --> 00:36:57,930 adjacent to or adjoining to you know the 948 00:37:02,690 --> 00:36:59,960 proctor ranch where the debris was found 949 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:02,700 they think that he still stole the 950 00:37:07,070 --> 00:37:05,310 debris so we talked to somebody in the 951 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:07,080 family that didn't you know want to be 952 00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:08,370 named didn't want to be seen on camera 953 00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:11,430 and he basically we went to his house 954 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:14,940 and he said told us where he thought the 955 00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:16,530 cave was where you know this had been 956 00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,670 and his family and people knew about 957 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:20,640 this and he told us where he thought the 958 00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:23,010 cave was after you know prior we had 959 00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:24,630 been looking and we were kind of 960 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:26,520 distracted and thought we had seen two 961 00:37:29,780 --> 00:37:27,690 different caves that ended up being 962 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:29,790 nothing but yeah I mean it was pretty 963 00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:32,850 incredible to be able to talk to Sandy 964 00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:35,430 and and hear what his mom you know his 965 00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:39,630 mom got to see that the debris and he 966 00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:41,220 also told us a story this didn't make 967 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:42,540 the episode but he told us a story about 968 00:37:47,730 --> 00:37:45,130 how his father and mother they had they 969 00:37:51,210 --> 00:37:47,740 had a pretty incredible UFO sighting 970 00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:51,220 before the corona crash oh okay yeah so 971 00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:53,140 it was just really neat to hear about 972 00:37:57,330 --> 00:37:56,200 that but you know and they said that you 973 00:37:59,520 --> 00:37:57,340 know and then they're the property 974 00:38:02,300 --> 00:37:59,530 family of course was close with both Mac 975 00:38:04,530 --> 00:38:02,310 and Mac was told not to talk about it 976 00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:04,540 you know he was a butcher and he wanted 977 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:06,340 a place where he could keep he wanted a 978 00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,130 meat locker so they moved him you know 979 00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:10,720 and then they say did they move him too 980 00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:12,430 to be able to watch him near this Air 981 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:14,980 Force Base and did they pay him off you 982 00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:17,020 know all these stories you hear so it's 983 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:19,000 just really neat to hear that from 984 00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:21,370 someone that obviously was in that for 985 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:24,070 the Procter family but um yeah that's a 986 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:25,330 really good point though Heather I mean 987 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:28,570 I've had my presumptions about this case 988 00:38:33,450 --> 00:38:31,360 forever uh-huh in that all sort of 989 00:38:35,490 --> 00:38:33,460 change when I got there and started 990 00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:35,500 talking to the locals that's when you 991 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:37,960 like you really start to get to the core 992 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:40,390 of the story and you start hearing from 993 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:41,890 these people who are you know 994 00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:44,650 descendants of of families who were 995 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:46,660 involved I mean I got to speak to the 996 00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:48,910 granddaughter of Jesse Marcel the first 997 00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:53,230 officer yeah story she had to tell in 998 00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:55,480 terms of like this memory medal that was 999 00:38:59,610 --> 00:38:57,730 on say you know crumble it out that 1000 00:39:02,570 --> 00:38:59,620 would go right back to its shape it was 1001 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:02,580 light as a feather but you couldn't like 1002 00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,010 hammer through it it's close but it 1003 00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:08,560 really is its lining up with the same 1004 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:10,780 stories that you heard from the project 1005 00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:12,850 families hmm you really do have to 1006 00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:13,990 wonder and this was really interesting 1007 00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:15,820 when I was watching when you guys got to 1008 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:17,800 the like the impact site the crash scene 1009 00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:20,890 yeah I'm like okay people claim so many 1010 00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:22,840 different locations are where this crash 1011 00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:24,340 happened uh-huh 1012 00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:26,080 I don't know if you guys came across 1013 00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:27,520 this but when we went out there there's 1014 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:31,240 like a memorial or like this plaque 1015 00:39:36,510 --> 00:39:33,370 that's out there that says this is where 1016 00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:36,520 the UFO crash happened yes so that is a 1017 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:39,580 little ways down we saw the road that 1018 00:39:44,190 --> 00:39:41,890 leads to but it's really crazy because I 1019 00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:44,200 mean Chuck doing this for so long he got 1020 00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:45,700 to talk to a lot of the key players and 1021 00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:48,550 get to know them in Roswell so Glenn 1022 00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:50,830 Dennis gave him the coordinates for the 1023 00:39:55,530 --> 00:39:53,320 debris site he so I mean that's how we 1024 00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,540 but Chuck has been out there he's done a 1025 00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:58,000 dig out there so he knew exactly where 1026 00:40:01,320 --> 00:39:58,990 to go 1027 00:40:02,910 --> 00:40:01,330 but I mean to be able to stand there and 1028 00:40:04,859 --> 00:40:02,920 just put yourself back in the 40s and 1029 00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:04,869 think like what really have it was 1030 00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:06,520 incredible like I felt like I was in a 1031 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:09,670 dream yeah hey well that was the other 1032 00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:12,130 thing when you finally got to the the 1033 00:40:17,310 --> 00:40:15,310 impact say I saw it and I'm like okay 1034 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:17,320 let's see if it matches where I was and 1035 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:20,530 I'm not kidding you the area where you 1036 00:40:25,859 --> 00:40:22,810 guys were was exactly where we were told 1037 00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:25,869 to go yeah it was it and you do you step 1038 00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:28,480 foot out there and there's nothing no 1039 00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,710 Lyle not no like birds above no reason 1040 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:34,960 there were big garbage or debris out 1041 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:37,510 there yet you know like Chuck and people 1042 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:40,090 like Frank Kim blur this geologist we 1043 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:42,130 spoke to while we were there they filmed 1044 00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:44,770 stuff out there so yet you really do 1045 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:47,710 have two one here yeah and it's really 1046 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:49,810 crazy too that the the Richards family 1047 00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,490 you know this was a legend that this 1048 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:53,680 this guy had told us that it was hidden 1049 00:40:58,890 --> 00:40:55,930 away and Dan's cave and there's some 1050 00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,900 different locations and but there's this 1051 00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:00,640 the guy that we interviewed was was 1052 00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:04,240 pretty strange I mean he he he was kind 1053 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:05,590 of like we don't want this to be known 1054 00:41:08,490 --> 00:41:07,210 and I'm thinking why are we here 1055 00:41:11,609 --> 00:41:08,500 interviewing year and then and then 1056 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:11,619 finally like we were all in this other 1057 00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:15,190 area near like behind his house and Dan 1058 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:16,780 Dan's always the one that kind of goes 1059 00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:18,250 off and does his own thing and I 1060 00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:19,480 remember production being like you know 1061 00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:20,830 we want to film you guys all together 1062 00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:22,630 for this like come back dan didn't 1063 00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:23,740 listen and went off and he ended up 1064 00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:26,440 finding an opening yeah and then we 1065 00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:28,030 started digging it really looked like a 1066 00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:32,440 cave like what the heck yeah so and then 1067 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:33,400 we were out there and we were digging 1068 00:41:38,340 --> 00:41:35,290 for hours trying to figure figure this 1069 00:41:39,810 --> 00:41:38,350 out and and then this the guy comes up 1070 00:41:41,609 --> 00:41:39,820 and he's like you know you guys are 1071 00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:41,619 going too far like we don't want you to 1072 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:42,790 be here anymore you have to leave more 1073 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:48,490 just like yeah but I really hope that we 1074 00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:51,250 can try to get back there there is 1075 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:53,560 something down there there definitely is 1076 00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,650 like you guys were so close and I was I 1077 00:42:01,320 --> 00:41:59,040 was I'm not giving you even for like a 1078 00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:01,330 reality television show I was on the 1079 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:03,160 edge of my seat like oh my god they 1080 00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:04,930 might break this case wide open 1081 00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:06,340 yeah I mean could you imagine if we 1082 00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:09,070 found a piece of it like that I just 1083 00:42:12,750 --> 00:42:10,540 can't even wrap my head around that it 1084 00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,760 would be incredible well 1085 00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,800 like you said though like it's not done 1086 00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:17,200 like Chuck in that determined to get 1087 00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:19,360 back there and I know with his 1088 00:42:23,550 --> 00:42:21,820 connections like something's gonna 1089 00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:23,560 happen he'll be able to get back out 1090 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:26,350 there but yeah it was a fascinating 1091 00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:27,910 episode a lot of people when they hear 1092 00:42:31,830 --> 00:42:29,470 Roswell they're like what is there left 1093 00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,840 to look at but clearly there's still 1094 00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:34,000 stuff to investigate and I think you 1095 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:35,820 guys did a really good job with that 1096 00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:38,410 yeah yeah thanks I'm glad that I'm glad 1097 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:39,070 you enjoyed it 1098 00:42:44,490 --> 00:42:41,410 yeah well I mean okay so we have alien 1099 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:44,500 highway we have we have this show 1100 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:47,290 unidentified on now yeah we've got this 1101 00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,850 show this show this show all these 1102 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:51,280 paranormal and ufo-related TV shows seem 1103 00:42:56,610 --> 00:42:54,490 to be cropping up lately so in your 1104 00:42:59,370 --> 00:42:56,620 opinion why do you why do you think that 1105 00:43:02,700 --> 00:42:59,380 is what about alien highway kind of 1106 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:02,710 stands out amongst all these I mean I I 1107 00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:05,050 think that this stuff isn't stopping I 1108 00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:07,630 mean people all over the world are still 1109 00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,020 seeing UFOs they're still experiencing 1110 00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:12,640 paranormal activity like it it's just a 1111 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:14,080 sight a never-ending cycle like it's 1112 00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:16,330 it's happening now more than ever 1113 00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:18,280 especially with all these you know 1114 00:43:21,540 --> 00:43:20,380 stories about the Pentagon 1115 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:21,550 you know investigating and everything 1116 00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:23,890 like that like I think a lot more is 1117 00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:25,630 coming to light now and maybe a lot more 1118 00:43:29,610 --> 00:43:27,220 people are opening their eyes and a lot 1119 00:43:31,350 --> 00:43:29,620 more pilots are coming forward and a lot 1120 00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:31,360 more people in the Navy you know people 1121 00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:32,830 that know stuff are coming forward and 1122 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:34,840 sharing their stories which i think is 1123 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:36,730 awesome because it's only gonna help us 1124 00:43:40,830 --> 00:43:39,010 get to the answers more absolutely yeah 1125 00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:40,840 there seems to be a shift happening 1126 00:43:46,350 --> 00:43:43,510 where these topics are they're becoming 1127 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:46,360 more legitimate and you know I feel like 1128 00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:48,850 throughout decades this happens these 1129 00:43:54,510 --> 00:43:51,790 things have been flow we're like oh UFOs 1130 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:54,520 are real we investigated it and then you 1131 00:43:58,530 --> 00:43:56,410 don't then it goes away it fades into 1132 00:44:02,100 --> 00:43:58,540 obscurity from huh five years and then 1133 00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:02,110 it comes back up but I don't know I feel 1134 00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:05,830 like something is changing whether it's 1135 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:09,070 the legitimization by the Navy or this 1136 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:12,370 Pentagon program must be changing UFOs 1137 00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:14,410 are like on the minds of everyone right 1138 00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,120 now and it's exciting for us who have 1139 00:44:22,220 --> 00:44:18,160 been kind of screaming this from the 1140 00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,230 rooftops to deaf ears for so long yeah 1141 00:44:26,359 --> 00:44:24,480 yeah yeah it's really interesting well 1142 00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:26,369 what are your what are your friends and 1143 00:44:30,740 --> 00:44:28,619 family think about all this stuff you do 1144 00:44:34,310 --> 00:44:30,750 I am always wondering you know luckily I 1145 00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,320 have a partner who is so understanding 1146 00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,660 of the things I do that's good parents 1147 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:38,460 you support me but I know it's not the 1148 00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,810 same for everybody I mean my parents 1149 00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:45,119 they kind of think it's funny because I 1150 00:44:49,070 --> 00:44:47,100 grew up being so passionate about this 1151 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:49,080 stuff and I grew up with basically a 1152 00:44:53,570 --> 00:44:51,090 video camera attached to my hand I was 1153 00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:53,580 constantly filming ridiculous skits and 1154 00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:55,470 just documenting my everyday life so I 1155 00:45:01,160 --> 00:44:57,030 think they always thought I would do 1156 00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:01,170 something with TV so it kind of seems 1157 00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:02,940 normal but I mean they think it's 1158 00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:05,220 they're super supportive and they they 1159 00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:06,990 love watching me and when reruns are on 1160 00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:08,609 they'll send me pictures of my face on 1161 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:10,230 the screen I'm just like whoa mom's 1162 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:12,150 watching me on TV again so they think 1163 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:14,250 it's really cool but at the same time 1164 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:15,930 it's kind of like they expected me to be 1165 00:45:19,849 --> 00:45:17,850 into something weird like this just 1166 00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:19,859 because of who I am you know yeah 1167 00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:22,380 totally I remember when my parents came 1168 00:45:28,460 --> 00:45:25,980 to my first ever UFO talk that I gave fo 1169 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:28,470 conference and I warned him before and 1170 00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:29,820 I'm like this might get a little weird 1171 00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:32,430 just be prepared and afterwards my 1172 00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:34,920 mother who's like never thought about 1173 00:45:39,010 --> 00:45:37,020 this stuff really she always was like 1174 00:45:41,660 --> 00:45:39,020 yeah Ryan go do your thing 1175 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:41,670 she said to me like oh my god this stuff 1176 00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:46,410 is real I'm like yeah supposedly it's 1177 00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:48,150 all real so that was a good moment 1178 00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:50,190 turning point for me where I'm like yeah 1179 00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:52,680 I finally got to my parents the people 1180 00:46:03,130 --> 00:45:59,280 who always for like what is right now we 1181 00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:03,140 can finally be like we told you so yeah 1182 00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:05,820 well in terms of alien highway had their 1183 00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:09,000 um the next episode to air concerns 1184 00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:12,180 something super interesting which yes so 1185 00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,270 just investigated myself area 51 in 1186 00:46:19,580 --> 00:46:17,640 Tonopah so Nepal is this really 1187 00:46:22,510 --> 00:46:19,590 interesting place a lot of people 1188 00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:22,520 consider this to be like the new area 51 1189 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:26,070 hmm yeah so could you maybe tease us a 1190 00:46:30,859 --> 00:46:27,930 little about what we can expect from 1191 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:30,869 this upcoming episode yes so for this 1192 00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:33,450 episode were we're playing on the theory 1193 00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:35,640 you hear about an Alienist 1194 00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:40,140 from area 51 so were on a hunt to try to 1195 00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:42,750 find this and the site that people were 1196 00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:45,150 talking about happens to be kind of in 1197 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:48,420 between Tonopah and area 51 so that that 1198 00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:50,610 whole area which there's nothing out 1199 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:52,980 there yes as you know there's nothing so 1200 00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:54,570 it would be the perfect place for 1201 00:46:59,300 --> 00:46:57,300 someone to hide a creature or you know 1202 00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,310 something to escape so and this was 1203 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:01,200 actually my second time out to Tonopah 1204 00:47:05,330 --> 00:47:03,810 we spent some time there and it's really 1205 00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:05,340 interesting talking to the locals and 1206 00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:07,500 and talking to people that worked in 1207 00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:09,540 areas near there that you know no 1208 00:47:13,940 --> 00:47:10,740 information that they're not allowed to 1209 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:13,950 talk about and so this is gonna be a 1210 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:14,970 really good when I think people are 1211 00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:17,130 really gonna enjoy enjoy this one that's 1212 00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:20,220 interesting yeah ya know like these vast 1213 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:22,260 deserts that's where all this stuff 1214 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:25,050 happens whether or not just top-secret 1215 00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:27,930 military projects or something a bit 1216 00:47:34,430 --> 00:47:31,680 more esoteric or you know paranormal I 1217 00:47:38,330 --> 00:47:34,440 don't know but you know once once we 1218 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:38,340 knew what area 51 was or that it was 1219 00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:40,410 like officially acknowledged by the 1220 00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:42,900 government you know full well they moved 1221 00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:45,540 all that somewhere else oh yeah 1222 00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,790 so Tonopah might be the place so I 1223 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:50,160 wouldn't be sad and I had been there 1224 00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:52,770 once before to Tonopah because uh I was 1225 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:54,270 passing through I think I was driving to 1226 00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:57,210 Yosemite and I had heard about it and I 1227 00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,500 was just like I'm gonna stay at the 1228 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:00,240 mid-span hotel and I ended up staying 1229 00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:02,370 there and it's really really interesting 1230 00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,710 history and interesting in the fact that 1231 00:48:09,110 --> 00:48:06,960 like gold and silver were kind of 1232 00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,120 accidentally discovered in that in that 1233 00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:12,240 area so I encourage anyone to check out 1234 00:48:15,620 --> 00:48:13,710 that area and if you look at the guest 1235 00:48:18,350 --> 00:48:15,630 book at the Mizpah hotel I think I 1236 00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:18,360 signed it twice yeah I wrote a really 1237 00:48:24,110 --> 00:48:21,740 funny story in there oh that's bright 1238 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:24,120 well that's so awesome Heather where can 1239 00:48:27,610 --> 00:48:26,370 we find out more about the show and and 1240 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:27,620 what you're up to 1241 00:48:32,090 --> 00:48:30,960 well I'm pretty active on social media 1242 00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:32,100 there's times where I'm kind of just 1243 00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:33,630 like get out of here like I don't want 1244 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:37,230 to be on the computer but yeah like my 1245 00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:39,330 handle on Instagram and Twitter is 1246 00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:43,830 classic tad so classic and then tid so 1247 00:48:47,540 --> 00:48:46,020 I'm you know people and I still get a 1248 00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:47,550 lot of messages even from people that 1249 00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,140 are just now discovering para mistake 1250 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:51,420 people that followed the show like I 1251 00:48:54,799 --> 00:48:53,010 still get messages which is completely 1252 00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:54,809 blows my mind how that show has affected 1253 00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:56,700 people oh absolutely I made me the 1254 00:49:01,940 --> 00:48:58,440 person I am today I'm like whoa you can 1255 00:49:04,579 --> 00:49:01,950 do this in college yeah it's wild but 1256 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:04,589 I'm also active on Facebook and I just 1257 00:49:10,279 --> 00:49:07,890 started a public figure Facebook page to 1258 00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:10,289 kind of keep my private one separate but 1259 00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:11,880 um you can find me on there under 1260 00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:13,950 Heather tatty and I'm working on a 1261 00:49:16,819 --> 00:49:15,960 website right now I'm just kind of 1262 00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,829 behind on it 1263 00:49:25,279 --> 00:49:19,200 yeah you're too busy investigating 1264 00:49:27,339 --> 00:49:25,289 ghosts yeah well I can't wait to see 1265 00:49:30,769 --> 00:49:27,349 where the show leads next and I know 1266 00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:30,779 with Chuck involved that you guys have 1267 00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:33,960 sort of only just begun so yes Wow I 1268 00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:35,700 can't thank you enough for coming on 1269 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:37,500 today talking about all this and uh 1270 00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:39,210 thank you thank you so much Heather 1271 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:41,160 thank you this has been great this is 1272 00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,010 great all right that is it for this 1273 00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:49,200 week's episode again you can watch alien 1274 00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:51,660 highway on the Travel Channel check your 1275 00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,480 local listings for dates and times by 1276 00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:56,160 the time you hear this I am on my way 1277 00:50:01,999 --> 00:49:59,400 home from alien con Los Angeles it was 1278 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:02,009 an amazing weekend and I can't wait to 1279 00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,170 share exclusive content with you from 1280 00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:06,960 the event stay tuned for that I also got 1281 00:50:11,269 --> 00:50:09,180 word that I'll be joining a link on once 1282 00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:11,279 again for their next convention in 1283 00:50:17,089 --> 00:50:14,190 Dallas Texas being held October 4th 1284 00:50:19,579 --> 00:50:17,099 through the 6th to learn more visit V a 1285 00:50:22,099 --> 00:50:19,589 link on Comm if you haven't already 1286 00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:22,109 please subscribe rate and review someone 1287 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:24,750 the skies on 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